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Risky Business Podcast
March 27, 2026
Soap Box: Red teaming AI systems with SpecterOps
Presented by
James Wilson
Enterprise Technology Editor
Patrick Gray
CEO and Publisher
In this sponsored Soap Box edition of the show, Patrick Gray and James Wilson talk about red teaming AI systems with Russel Van Tuyl, Vice President of Services at elite penetration testing firm SpecterOps.
SpecterOps is the company behind attack path enumeration tool Bloodhound and Bloodhound Enterprise, but they’re also a pentest and red teaming shop with world class expertise in popping shells on all sorts of interesting systems in all sorts of interesting places.
This episode is also available on Youtube.
Soap Box: Red teaming AI systems with SpecterOps
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Facts Only

James Wilson: Enterprise Technology Editor
Patrick Gray: CEO and Publisher of Risky Business Podcast
Russel Van Tuyl: Vice President of Services at SpecterOps
SpecterOps: Elite penetration testing firm, creators of Bloodhound and Bloodhound Enterprise

Executive Summary

In this sponsored episode of the Risky Business Podcast, James Wilson and Patrick Gray discuss red teaming AI systems with Russel Van Tuyl, Vice President of Services at SpecterOps. SpecterOps is a leading penetration testing firm known for their attack path enumeration tool Bloodhound and Bloodhound Enterprise. The episode also covers their expertise in popping shells on various systems across different locations.

Full Take

Analyzing the article from a skeptical perspective, we can detect the following patterns:
Emotional exploitation (weaponized authority)
Distortion (semantic manipulation, out-of-context framing)
Systemic (mission drift from stated purpose, predatory "liberation" rhetoric)
The sponsorship of the episode by SpecterOps could be seen as an attempt to promote their brand and services. However, it's important to note that the podcast typically features sponsored content. The description of SpecterOps as an elite penetration testing firm with world-class expertise supports this claim.
The use of terms like "popping shells" might be considered semantically manipulative, potentially appealing to a more tech-savvy audience by using a term that may not be immediately familiar to all listeners but implies a level of skill and sophistication.
The episode's title, "Red teaming AI systems with SpecterOps," suggests a focus on AI systems, which is not explicitly mentioned in the article. This could be seen as out-of-context framing or distortion, as the main discussion appears to revolve around traditional penetration testing and red teaming rather than AI specifically.
Finally, the mission of SpecterOps—penetration testing and red teaming—could potentially be considered a form of "liberation" rhetoric, implying that they are helping organizations by finding vulnerabilities and improving their security posture. However, this could also be interpreted as a legitimate service provided by many cybersecurity firms.
Questions for further inquiry might include: What specific AI systems were discussed during the podcast? How does SpecterOps approach red teaming AI systems differently from traditional penetration testing? What are the potential implications of red teaming AI systems, and who benefits or bears costs as a result?