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MAN welcome back to Reel Ag Radio. It's now time for the RealAg Issues panel here on this first day of spring. Yes, it is here. Well, it's here for some of us, but if you live in certain parts of North America, not so much. Let's bring in the panel. Up first, Lindsay Smith. Coming out of which a place where it doesn't feel like spring. Ottawa, Ontario.
It's never going to be spring. I've given up all hope. It's never. No yet. No. We're back to snow and the forecast is snow and grey and maybe a melt. But no, it just, it's. It's stuck.
Do you think you'll just skip the summer because that's what happens. Sometimes we get a little bit, you know, like unseasonably one way. It feels like we kind of maybe skip a season. Do you think that's going to happen maybe? No, no, no.
I think we're going to go from this to like mud season and cold and I don't know, I do feel for, and I know this is, you know, a very important point on the maple syrup side. We've hardly had even a decent run of a couple days. That would make at least for us. Other parts of Ontario have been fine, but. Yeah, anyway, it's pretty gross.
What is the ideal temperature for maple syrup season?
So as a Manitoban, I'm going to tell you all the ins and outs of maple syrup season. No, you're looking at like you want a bright, sunny, beautiful like plus four, plus five and then nighttime temps of like minus five somewhere in there. The issue is we have had a few plus temps, but it's been grey and overcast and so you just don't get the run. You need that warm sun on the tree trunks to really get the SAP rolling. So.
Yeah. Well, earlier this week I was in Concord in Ontario speaking at the Lucknow Co op meeting and it didn't feel like maple syrup season.
It.
No, it felt like a harsh Scottish winter winter.
Pretty close.
It was not maple syrup season. Also joining us, Kelvin Hepner coming out of Altona, Manitoba, where it probably feels a little bit more like spring.
Yeah, we've had spring arrive this week. We had almost a blizzard the the other day and then a couple days of melting. And this morning, walking between the barns, trying to not slip on the ice that froze again overnight, I actually heard birds for the first time. Whoa.
Getting there. Birds.
That's a sign of some sort. You gotta open my book of old wives tales. I've gotta tell you something. Maybe the Blue Jays World series win in 26. That's what that means.
We just need to talk about kettlebells. And then we have a lot in common with Joe Rogan and Pierre Polyev because they talked about maple syrup yesterday on that famous now famous podcast episode.
Okay, they did something about that picture where. Anyway, we'll get into it, I'm sure. Also joining us is Tyler McCann. He is the managing director at CAPI. How are we doing today, Tyler?
I am doing well, Shaun. Great to be back with you all. And hopefully if we talk kettlebells and maple syrup, we can break those Joe Rogan audience numbers too. While we're at it.
There's. It's been interesting. There's. There. Yeah. Well, that would. Boy, that would. That would be. My bank account. Would look different.
Mm.
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Powerful, powerful, powerful. Okay. Lots happened this week. Some we will get to, others I'm not so sure. But we do know that it is the one year of Prime Minister Mark Carney. He has had quite the year. He had quite the election win a year ago. You know, I speak to farmers across the country, they're still like this. I can't believe that happened. We don't need to get to the how it happened, but more of the what has he done? One of the things that he has done is spend more time outside of the country than actually sitting in Parliament. Kelvin, does that matter?
I think it does matter and I think it's actually one of the reasons why his approval ratings are so high in the polls is that Canadians view this favourably in terms of what he's doing on the national stage. Domestically, he's maybe not followed through on some of the big, big promises that he was making, especially a year ago and since then, but. But internationally he's helping Canada punch above its weight again. I think is the impression that a lot of Canadians have of him.
Yeah.
On the line podcast last Friday, Jen Gerson had an interesting theory is that he, because he has brought some seriousness back to Canada from, you know, in comparison to the person the prior 10 years, he's. He's kind of reflecting a little bit of Canada's back and being taken seriously by the middle powers. A lot of that connects to that Davos speech. Thought that was interest theory. Lindsey, how would you rate at a five Prime Minister Carney's first year?
Oh, that's a fun thing to do. Okay, so this is, I guess it doesn't. It's not maybe my personal opinion. I think we have to look at as a Prime minister the way I would, I would rate a Prime minister is of course, you know, how they've got done what they said they would, how they're potentially polling as far as what Canadians think. So if we look at Those two metrics. Carney is doing very well. He's still in polling, does very well as far, especially over Pierre Poliev, the Liberal's still doing well. He has somehow attracted a whole bunch of people to cross the floor, which is quite significant and is ever closer to a majority. So, I mean, from that perspective, I think you'd say it's been very successful from, as you said, the travel around the world of, you know, Canada's, you know, how, how people view us, some of our trade deals, those sorts of things, I think also positive as far as back here at home, though, I think this is actually where if, if we're going to be honest here, he's not in question period very much. He's not in the House very much. They, they haven't really done a lot in Parliament, let's say, and I think we are. So if we're looking at the past year, that is one of those things that I think as we go forward is going to make a big. What he actually ends up, what his government actually gets passed and move through and what he actually does here. And there are rumblings, I would say, and this is somewhat predicated on whether he actually ends up eking out a one seat or whatever majority. There are certainly questions and rumblings about Carney potentially circumventing some of the, you know, process and these sorts of things to get some things done. And there are people that are starting to push back on that as well. And the fact that he's just not around when he's in Ottawa. So even when he's in Ottawa, he's not always necessarily. So that will be a challenge, I think, going forward. So if like out of five, let's give him a four.
Four.
Yep. I think. Well, if we're going to use pulling and we're going to. Yeah, I mean, he's still, he has a year as Prime Minister and he's still pulling as well as he is and in fact has increased people like him. So I guess that's a measure. Again, this is not me saying that, you know, I think everything he's done is great. Saying if we use those metrics, then, yeah, I give him a four.
Well, they have developed the widest lead over top of the Conservatives since the election. Tyler, how long can this honeymoon period last? Because it kind of, it is a bit of an extended honeymoon period. Yesterday I saw a video, he's out running with the leader of Finland through a park. Like these are things that, these sort of like, like those kind of when I saw that video and listen. Great. Promotes fitness, all those kinds of things, and he's got good relationships. And that really appeals to Canadians right now. But these are some of the things that Prime Minister Trudeau did, and he sort of ran out of Runway at some point. How long can this honeymoon period last for Canadians, do you think, with. With Prime Minister Carney?
But I think, Shaun, it's not a honeymoon period, right. I think what it is is a different world and a different condition kind of that he's operating in. And I think it's one thing you do often have this glow. But even before he was elected, if you look at kind of the conditions that started to change during the Liberal leadership race largely as a result of what was happening in the United States, the way the US President was talking about Canada, the reaction to the Canadian population, I think that the ground just shifted. And so I don't think it's right to think about this as a context of a honeymoon period. I think it is how much longer does this frame that we're operating in today in Canada, where the majority of Canadian people are concerned and upset and angry about what's happening in the United States? And see, Mark Carney is the best solution to that problem. How long does that carry on for? And so I don't think that that's a honeymoon period. And I think if you really want to look at what he's doing, you need to separate. I think the politics, as Lindsey says, he seems to have done very well on the politics. He has cemented the lead that the Liberal Party has today. I think he has broadened his appeal from where it was a year ago. I think on policy, largely people, he has this more kind of centrist position. He is appealing to Conservative voters. He's appealing to NDP voters. Again, there's a lot of talk about attracting floor crossers, but I think that the more interesting thing than floor crossers is that he's got Conservative MPs and NDP MPs both coming into the Liberal Party. So I think he's done well, kind of creating a policy message that appeals broadly. But I think his big weakness, and what will ultimately do him in if it doesn't change, is around delivery. And that is a year later. I think we are now past, and this may be a honeymoon period or not, but now past the period at which I think people will give him some grace and give them some room to say it takes time to get things done, but I think that there's a lot of issues around things still not getting done that are not meeting his language and his rhetoric.
So I think you started out by disagreeing with me but I think you came around to questioning the honeymoon period because I think.
But again I don't think it's a honeymoon period. I think any government takes time.
He's being given a massive pass on action. So in some ways he is living up to the Canadian stereotype of people like us but not action. And so we are clearly showing we value other countries thinking we're great people, we're nice, we're back all of these sorts of middle powers. We're all these sorts of things but the action part on making movements and do actually like putting us in a position to counter some of these threats that are out there been kind of non existent. And listen, I say a lot of complimentary things in my speeches about Prime Minister Carney. I think on the, on the White House file he is the person to lead us it from a Canadian perspective on that file. No question. But I think we're missing some action. Tyler.
But. So I actually think if you look at the defence investments that ramp up of defence spending is a space where there is some action that's happening again. We don't get new submarines right away, we don't get new guns right away. They have to get built. I think if you look at this very expedited basis that it looks like they're going to make decisions on subs is an example of action happening. I think that that shift on the foreign affairs geopolitical defence space is a space where I think we can, we can talk about action. I think it is on the more purely domestic issues where you know are there more houses getting built today then statistics don't seem to point to that. I think it's, I think on that I think there is action happening on the foreign affairs piece but we cannot have an army that works. Army, Air Force and navy that works in a year. That is a multi year process and I think that that's legitimate. It could still probably happen faster but it's happening much faster and in ways that that it hasn't happened in 25 or 30 years.
Yeah. Lindsay, what do you think on this, on this point? Do you think that what would you like to see him move quicker on when it comes to the action file?
Well, I also want to know what Kelvin would give him because I feel like Tyler didn't actually give him a number and I did so.
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
Well you know what I say a really good point. No, no, thank You. That's a good point. Tyler, what's your rating out of five?
So again, so I'm going to give them four and a half on politics, I'm going to give him a four on policy and I'll give them two and a half on delivery.
Oh, that brings down the average.
That does. Wow. Yeah, okay, maybe, maybe we can't got a park. Can't totally get into those carney pyjamas. Kelvin, how about you? I don't know if I have a
whole lot to disagree on. I think that the delivery is where it's lacking and sure, it takes a long time to turn a big ship around that has been headed in a certain direction for a long time. And so I think the honeymoon period, grace period is a lot of Canadians still have it, but yeah, how long it lasts, especially as our gas prices go to $2 a litre or wherever they're headed in many parts of the country now.
Buck 65. I filled up yesterday.
Yeah, same here. Same here. And you get to Vancouver and it's way higher than that already. So I think as our costs continue to escalate, as our tax bills continue to come in, as our mortgage renewals are more expensive than they were in the past, all those things will add up. And it's a question of when that, like Tyler said, when that passes, surpasses the concern about the Trump administration's impact on the Canadian economy. That's when things are going to go sour for the Liberal government.
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Yeah, the very tail end of last week.
It was the tail end of last week. That's right. Richardson's is back in the Canola Council after it was Friday, late Friday. Richardson's is back in into the Canola Council. They've a board member and also back in membership. And we played the interview with Jean Marc from Richardson's earlier this week. Did that surprise you that Richardson's was back?
Not totally, although they have tried to rejoin quietly. This is of course one of Canada's largest purchasers, processors, marketers, exporters of Canola. So their absence from the Canola Council was certainly noteworthy when they left and withdrew their funding back at the end of 2017. So now after a nearly eight year hiatus, they formally rejoined at the Canola Council's AGM last week. And so yeah, we followed up and had the chance to speak with Jean Marcrue about, about the decision. It sounds like some of the concerns they had raised with the Canola Council before their departure. The Canola Council has since addressed. One of those we do know is the agronomy staff. We talked about that last summer where the Canola Council laid off the vast majority of its agronomy team, its extension team. And that was something that Richardson over the years had felt was duplication with services offered by the private sector. Sounds like there were some other changes. We don't know exactly the terms of membership fees, structures, that type of thing. What kind of representation Richardson has been assured of. You mentioned they have a seat at the board, but certainly noteworthy for our one of Canada's largest crops, the association that represents that industry. To have one of the largest players in the industry back at the table
quietly is an understatement. They tiptoed back and just really very silent about it, which was intentional.
They, I believe both sides wanted it to be quiet and not. Not make a big deal out of it. So the fact we're talking about it right now is probably already beyond what they would like.
Can we just keep talking about it? So what I would like to. What I don't understand is why we wouldn't make a big deal about it. Like maybe I'm just out of the loop here, but I would think we would want to celebrate and talk about how one of the largest Canadian owned grain companies and crushers are back in, you know, the council that represents the entire national organisation. I. Why, why wouldn't we be like blowing
profits and following the Bungee Vitera merger last year, you could say they are the largest Canadian and well, I guess question of whether Vitera was Canadian owned before that too through Glencore, right? Not necessarily. Wouldn't. They wouldn't necessarily be. But yeah, it is definitely the largest Canadian Canola sector. So it's a good question. I think they just wanted to fly
under the radar on this Canadian way.
I suppose like two things though for me, because Shaun, I'm sure you're dying to know, I do find it a little bit like, wow, they must have really disliked the agronomy side of the Canola Council because realistically that seems to be what has sort of shifted them back into the fold is that the Canola Council got out of the agronomy side of things. And, and to me like this shows a shift. The Canola Council then to me feels much more like the industry association and essentially growers are out of the mix really? Yes. Like I see this as. And send your hate mail, send whatever.
But I really on the funding structure and I think that will have changed. That is where there will be change that we don't know about, I believe.
Lindsay, do you think it's. You just want to. You said that like it. The agronomy issue was the cost overlap relative to how other economy works is not a case of not liking agronomy.
It was more.
It was, it was. This is a waste of money.
Well, they didn't like exactly that that the Canola Council would be spending money on the agronomy side when you know, they viewed that as the other companies, them included would have, you know, agronomists of their own. But it does to me and to Kelvin's point, we really will have to see sort of how funding lays out and whatever. But to me this is a shift and it's one that I would say over time I see where it becomes far more of that for the value chain side and on the international side and far less about the grower side. And there's probably producers who are very happy with that, to be entirely honest. We know that, you know, the agronomy team paid for by the Canola Council was a thorn in the side of some growers as well because they saw it as duplication and, and didn't see the value that they got out of it. But I like to me this, this is a shift towards the Canola Council being less of a like full value chain and shifted more towards this. The sort of.
The bigger player. Yeah.
Okay, good.
I'm actually a little bit amazed, but I'm. Yeah, I'm trying to understand why you feel that way.
Okay, we'll see who's right.
I think the, if you look at the financial contributions and who holds the purse strings, it's increasingly favouring the checkoff organisations in a lot of these associations. And so I think it is actually
producer groups in a lot of these
or the Canola Council specifically, I'm speaking more generally. But I think in the Canola Council case too, like even the last few years of the agronomy team, it was the provincial grower associations, I believe that were funding the agronomy team. They were being funded from a separate line that was being contributed to by the grower association. So I think those levy funded organisations have increasing sway in this and also in the cereal industry in Canada. And having the grain companies at the table grants legitimacy and like you said, they have the export context, the, the international marketing expertise. So you, you need them at the table. But I, I don't know, I. It feels like the pendulum is swinging towards the, the Chekhov funded organisations to me.
So, so I guess my. Yeah, sorry. I feel like, I feel like we're going to see more divergence between the two is. I guess what I'm saying is that we're going to see that. That's. I guess that's to flesh it out a little bit further. I could see the grower organisation growing in its like a bigger divide between the two and more leverage on the grower association side versus the council itself.
Well, here's what I know this must be a controversial topic because McCann has said boo.
Well, I was just
saying McCann can't keep his yap shot about anything but he is like very quiet.
There were lots of facial expressions for everyone who wants to go to YouTube
and again, just, just say that. Much to my surprise. Agree with Kelvin. This, you know, I think it gets.
That's okay, bring it.
The piece that I, I think I, I'm maybe the most concerned about with how Lindsay framed this is that it's a bad thing, that it's acting like a value chain organisation. I think one of the continuing challenges that we've got in this country is that we do try and, and separate the divides that are there. And I think that actually we need associations like the Canola Council and the others like it to act more like true value chain organisations and that better reflect kind of that the fact that this isn't just farmers that determine things. I think that this, again, I think it's a really kind of a negative thing. To Calvin's point at Cereals Canada, that we see the grain companies leaving that organisation and the growers continuing to play more of that leadership role. And I know that growers are investors and growers through their checkoff dollars want to have say in influence, but I'm not sure that that's actually in the best long term interest of any of these value chains to have these devices. They need to lean into being a value chain organisation. They need the grain companies there and they need to act like this is like this, like a value chain because that's actually how it works in practise.
I would like to just point out that I said it was change and Tyler said that change is bad. So I do not make that distinction that change is inherently bad. I just said it's a shift and it's a change. Tyler said it was bad. So Tyler is anti change. Let's just end on that note. Okay, moving on.
Well, again, small, small Secret Service don't, don't like, don't like change, Lindsey.
That is, yeah, that's, that's part of it.
But change is bad.
But I think that there has like there has been a lot of change and I think that, you know, if you go back to this divide, I often wonder how much of this in the Canadian context goes back especially in western Canada. The wheat board days when you had this kind of got a very distinct line between theory, the wheat board that was supposed to look after growers interests and the rest of the grain value chain. But they need to find ways to work together and to find more common solutions. And it is worth acknowledging that it is different at the Canola context because of the National Canola Growers association. That doesn't exist in the other grain sectors and I think is a complicating factor of the Canola Council. But it is worth taking a minute and acknowledging the work that the Canola Council did do to bring Richardson's back into the fold. I think that hats off to Chris Davidson, the CEO there and the board and the rest of the team that made that possible.
Well, a bit of a sidebar here. You know we have seen a period where the trend has been who's leaving X organisation and you know, bust the busting up part which is you know, I guess has been the trend. But lately you look GFO back in the grain goers of Canada, Richardson's back at the Canola Council. We've got a little bit of a momentum here on okay like where how should we be aligned and what's best for the industry overall. There's. That's been kind of an interesting reversal as well. We'll see if it continues or if we go back to more some of the bust up sort of scenarios in the leaving and the exits and things like that. Hey, we got to take a break but cdc, Evan and Durham from Alliance Seed is the clear Choice for Plant 2026. It delivers high grain yield, strong disease resistance and excellent end use suitability. With CDC evident you'll set a new standard for Durham performance. Learn
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We are back here on RealAg Radio for the Reel Ag Issues panel here on this first day of spring. Even though Lindsey disagrees and has had to cheque her calendar a few times, she is not quite sure if we should be that optimistic. But the calendar says so Lindsey so we got to roll with it. Listen, get instant answers to your grain marketing questions 247 with Sonoa. So Noah, is your AI grain market analyst available anytime to help you understand prices, basis and market trends so you can act with confidence. Start a free trial today and unlock RealAg listener savings by going to grain talks ca realag okay, we have a new Executive director at the Grain Growers of Canada, Lindsay Bruce Burrows. What do we know about him?
So yes, so this is effective April 1st, which I always feel like, like company shouldn't do that. But anyway, effective April 1st. Kidding. Yeah. Bruce Burroughs will will head up Grand Growers of Canada. Comes from a very logistics background. So kind of cool. He was held leadership roles with the Chamber of Marine Commerce and the Railway association of Canada and previously held positions with Canadian Pacific in Canada and abroad. So based in Ottawa and definitely brings the logistics side of the value chain fold, which is pretty cool. I will say he also worked with tactics which is spelled T A C T I X. And I will say that the only reason I know who tactics even is is because I was at an event in Ottawa and they had pads of paper and I am a sucker for a good notebook.
Oh yeah, you.
You're.
You were a doodle. You were a doodler.
I doodle. You'll see me doing it the whole time you do. And oh my gosh. So anyway, that's my claim to my six degrees of Kevin Bacon there. Anyway, so yeah, so we will see. So exciting news for the grain growers and definitely brings the logistics side to the fold.
So so is. Is that still actually a rule? Six degrees of separation? Like it feels like it should be like 2, 3.
Well in this day and age. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. We'll have to work through it in the bonus. Maybe. See. See if we can connect Kelvin to Kevin Bacon.
Oh, you definitely could.
We'll try. We'll try.
Well, I'm really close because my. My uncle has met Kevin Bacon, so I'm like. I'm like, right there.
You're right there. Yeah.
Does he even act anymore?
I don't know. But I follow them on Instagram because they have a little farm. He and Kyra Sedgwick. So.
Yeah, well, same with.
They're a lot of fun. Like, they're hilarious.
I was a big fan of Entourage, the show on hbo. And is it Adrian Grenier who played Mintz? He's a farmer now.
Oh, that's hilarious.
Oh, you're gonna go Tom Green, when you said.
Yeah, hey, He. He's in neck of the woods. Yeah, he's. He's in. Near Charlotte Lake. He's maybe an hour from me now.
He. Tom Green, also the man that gave Joe Rogan the idea to become a podcaster. They were. They were very good friends.
Interesting.
Yeah, yeah, that is. Tom Green had a talk show. There is a video. You can see the video. It's online, where.
I think Kelvin and Teller are too young to know who Tom Green is.
They could be. I remember it. Was it. What was the movie where he had the mouse and he was like, ah, they were on a road trip. Was it Road trip?
Was that maybe. Yes, yes, I do remember that.
Yeah.
Mitch.
Mitch. Yes, yes, yes. We're of the same vintage.
Yeah, we are. It's true.
Totally. Anyway, I know you're way older than me. We are the same vintage. Okay. So speaking of Rogan, Kelvin, Matt Gurney of the Line was very. Has been very critical. Well, critical that he did Rogan, but he's basically saying year and a half too late. Pollyv is doing a series of things that are a year and a half too late. What are your thoughts on, obviously, the new PR campaign the Pierre Poliev team is trying to undertake?
I wouldn't give it a full A plus, but I thought it was all right, and I think positive for him. And sure, maybe he's not swaying a bunch of new voters in Canada into the CPC ranks that listen to Rogan. But it's been covered on ctv. It's been covered on cbc. We're talking about it now. Everybody's talking about this interview today. And since it happened or since it went public yesterday afternoon. And so I think he's gained a lot of free PR here. He's broken into the news cycle in a way that he hasn't been able to in a very long time and shared actual policy and looked prime ministerial and was standing up for Canada. There were some parts that I think, think our agriculture audience, we should be concerned about when it comes to things that they talked about in the interview when it comes to glyphosate and canola seed oils and that type of thing, blaming processed food and nutrients and food being not what they used to be and that kind of thing. Really concerning when it comes to the Conservative Party's stance on those things or uninformed leadership there. But I think the fact he wouldn't criticise Mark Carney on foreign soil showed class, showed a level of professionalism too, that I think it maybe some voters in Canada haven't. The stereotype of him or the public Persona of him, he maybe broke that mould a little bit with the interview. And so, I don't know. Doing it during the election a year ago, I think would have just fed that.
Oh, there's no way he could have that.
He was a Trump in the. In the same camp as Trump and MAGA and all that type of thing. And that was not a way of attracting more votes in the election.
Thank you for saying that. Because I think some people have been critical of him doing it now, saying that he should have done it a year ago. I think they developed amnesia a little bit. Like there was no way that. No way that he could have done that before the election. Absolutely not.
No. But what I would say, what I do see from even the last two weeks of Poliev broader picture, though. We see him actually doing interviews. We see him on Peter Mansbridges podcast. We see him actually coming up with policy ideas, whether they're half baked or not, like on the auto pack thing, whatever. So I think doing Joe Rogan a year and a half. No. Would have been a disaster. There was no win in that one a year and a half ago or a year ago. So fine. And. But I think the tactics that he does seem to actually be listening to someone. So whether it's, you know, the new people in his camp or whatever, he is definitely the fact that he's doing interviews, the fact that he's, you know, letting down this sort of attack dog thing and being more human and be, you know, all of those things and putting some ideas out there, that is all that. That was necessary, it needs to be done. And that I think, you know, that I, you could say is a year too late. Sure. But I think doing Rogan now, great idea. We're all talking about exactly that Kelvin. Like I don't know where Carney was this week.
He was running in Finland.
Well, do you know what I mean?
Like he's not top of Spain going back to that Trudeau couldn't do.
Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I mean, that's what I mean. Right.
You mentioned Peter Mansbridge. I have a pet man's bridge impersonation. You want to hear it?
No, I don't like.
No, I'll give it to you. Welcome to the Peter Man's Bridge podcast.
I thought you.
You have to listen to that man at four times.
Okay. Like it. In fairness, I listen to just about all my audio at at least 1.2, 1.4. You're right.
His.
His is 1.6, 1.8. Because it's just. And it's not like he ums and ahs to fill all that. It's just pausing like Peter.
Anyway, Tyler. Anyway, you're.
I think that they're as is often
about Pierre Polyev, not Peter Mansbridge.
Yeah, I don't care about.
I get it. Let's not compare audience numbers again. Shaun, you can laugh at Mansbridge all you want, but I think when it comes to Poliev, like there is this revisionist history that, that does go on with him. And Lindsey talked about how he wasn't doing interviews. He wasn't putting policy that's wrong. Like he was doing interviews he did before the election, did the Jordan Peterson podcast. He talked a whole bunch of people kind of in that vein. It's not that he wasn't doing interviews. There was like less he was putting out policy. He would put out these long 15 minute videos getting doing a deep dive into his policy. It's that he was at the time talking to a relatively narrow kind of audience through his podcast and his outreach and putting out policies that were relatively narrowly targeted. And that's why I think that you. You should separate him going on Joe Rogan today from him going on Peter Mansbridge and some of the other things like that. Like him going on Rogan does not seem to be me to be a big change from what he was doing before. He was always kind of talking to that audience. The Mansbridge thing is different. I think he's talking to a different audience today. I think he continues. And he's always put out policy. I think his policy is not always been as well thought out maybe as it could be. Would be nice if he put out some AG policy at all. Yeah, I don't remember that, but I
think you're thinking really domestically though, like one of the big criticisms about Pierre Pollyv is that he is very insular. He, he is very like, yes, he isn't prime ministerial because he really has, you know, never goes on foreign trips. He's finally, you know, he has changed that as of late.
Shaun, you started off criticising Mark Carney for being too global and, and too foreign and now you're criticising Pierre Polyev for not being global or not being foreign.
Somewhere in the middle, I think is identical. Deal.
Yeah. And also it's his show. He can do what he wants. But I think, I also think that. Tyler, you're confusing opinions with policy. Pierre is, has he spouted off in that last campaign he was all about opinions and catchphrases and alliterations and I didn't see. Oh, Lindsay, anything on the policy side.
You need to look beyond that. You go back and you can see again. He, he, that is arguably one of the, I think one of the criticisms of him is that he gets to be too wonky on some things. Again, he's had these like 15 minute videos on housing and his housing solutions.
And that, that 15 minute video also what's exceptional about him in, in that case, Tyler, one take that is not like an edited video. Like he's making those videos in one
take and he can put kind of policy nuance into the sound bites that seems to drive Lindsay so crazy. But that ability to do both.
Okay, where's the ag platform?
Like, honestly, I don't know. I don't know.
No, like, and even now, like, can I. This is my appeal to, to Polly Ave's buddies, to the base, to, to every card carrying conservative out there. We have no ag policy coming from the Conservative side. If anything, we have anti ag policy. Exactly. Thank you, Kelvin. Kelvin is right. Everyone listen to Kelvin. He's smarter than I am. But like get out there and get something started because so far the new stuff I'm seeing from Polyev is picking autos over ag and in fact maybe hurting egg. So everybody out there, call your person, whatever and get something going. Because I disagree on the, at least on the ag side, there's zero policy out there that I can name or point to.
And there are a lot of Conservative caucus. I'm wondering what they are thinking as they watch some of these announcements and these messages.
Yeah. And again on the, on the trade front, the fact that we've got the Liberal Prime Minister hand in hand with the Saskatchewan premier in China, opening up markets for Canadian canola farmers and per Polyev, basically saying, I'm going to put all of that Chinese market access at risk by locking arms with the Americans. And it is a very bizarre world to understand why the Conservative Party does seem to take for granted that Conservative base.
And let's remember too, the key reversal here. All of those things were working for Pierre, as in, in, in relation to beating Trudeau.
That's right.
Once Trudeau stepped down, President Trump entered the White House. The, the cards really stacked up against Pierre. And so all of those things that they were doing weren't as effective as they were in, in, in, in the prior. So, yeah, change of the, the White House House and who's in the White House has definitely impacted not only Shaun
is agreeing with what Tyler was saying earlier and saying that the ground shifted, the ground changed.
None of us have a clue, guys. Just, we're all just walking each other.
Hey, we got, we got to take a break. We'll be back on Real Life Radio right after this.
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I'd say we're starting to see it. Yeah. It certainly is a positive trend and it's because of that affordability issue and people wanting to get their protein and knowing that chicken is a good lean protein source. And so those thighs are a lot cheaper than that box of chicken breasts or that Styrofoam packet of chicken breasts in the meat counter. So, yeah, it makes sense. And I think social media has got a really a part of that too. And to have people know how to prepare different parts of an animal, any animal, it's. I think that's great to have society, societal knowledge about that type of thing. So it's. It's good news.
We eat a lot of chicken thighs.
I think everybody's just really far behind. That's like, who's been able to afford chicken breasts these days? I've been only buying chicken thighs for years. I'm way ahead of the curve. You should follow me for more. I don't have enough money for groceries.
Yeah, me and my. Not only my agricultural insights, but also my culinary.
Yes. How to save.
Yeah, that is.
They do taste better, though.
That's not alone.
Exactly. I'm not alone on this. They have lots more flavour, they're usually cheaper. Although what's going to happen is the same thing that happened to chicken wings. Because right now to try and buy chicken wings is astronomically expensive and they're worse than they used to be because everybody wants chicken wings. So it is kind of nice. And to Calvin's point, I do agree with. To like, let's make, you know, a certain other cut popular again and then maybe chicken. Chicken wings will be more affordable in the long term.
I don't like the brisket.
The brisket or flank steak. Remember when flank steak was like, super cheap? Not anymore.
Yeah, you Can. Yeah. Even things like the flat iron.
Yeah, yeah, that's true. Anyway. But hey, use the whole animal. Have a great time. Yeah.
And then the good news. Kelvin was telling us about how it's all automated in the poultry business before we started to record.
So it sounds like in Tyler's mind it is, but the. Is very human still.
Yeah. The robot's name is Kelvin. In Kelvin's barn. Yeah.
A lot of human errors anyway.
But you talked about kind of the affordability issue. One of the things that. That is getting a lot of talk in Ottawa that will see the light of day, apparently in April, is a new food security strategy. And it's interesting to see kind of how you're trying to. People are trying to reconcile those affordability, legitimate concerns that Canadians have with kind of dynamics in agriculture and food. Often the links aren't the same, but it is something that's getting talked a lot. Getting talked about a lot more today than it was a month ago before the PM committed to this strategy. And it'll be interesting to see how they do kind of square the circle at the end of the day because politically they are feeling that pressure that Lindsey alluded to earlier. People can't afford chicken breast, so they're buying chicken thighs or maybe can't afford to buy any of that at all. And yeah, this is like a bigger thing and it'll. So I'd be curious to see what kind of an impact that actually has.
Right. But also, I think, you know, I think for people that have maybe been driven to try something like chicken thighs because of affordability, they also realise, like we did in our house, actually, like. Like the taste better, like. Like from a. From a personal preference standpoint.
So I want to back up a little bit here because I think there's a lot more that we will eventually dig into, as Tyler alludes to in the coming months. Canada is an interesting food security question. Right. Because we're only 40 million people and we could talk about that. For the first time ever, we actually had a population decline. Yeah. Of about 100,000 people in. At the end of 2025. But Canada is an interesting spot because we. We are a smaller market. I think Tyler can speak to this, but I don't know that we've really supported our local processing to the extent that we probably should have. But we are an export country and that is super. Val. But I don't think those things are fundamentally opposed. But I feel like we've. We've done a poor job maybe of supporting our local and, and by local, I mean domestic. I'm not saying backyard farmers. I'm saying like our domestic production systems and then. But at times we've also thrown our exports under the bus. Like we've done poorly at both is my, is my point, I guess.
Well, go ahead, Tyler.
So you can see that it's interesting. Lindsay, your point, because my understanding is that there's kind of three buckets that are being used to think about this food security strategy. One is around food security, food insecurity, kind of more of that traditional can people eat? And there are issues with that in this country, although not largely food issues, but income issues. The second one is around kind of food supply issues. So do we actually have the domestic processing to produce as much food as we can? And how do we look at ensuring that we've got a more stable, secure food supply? Again, there are issues there. We often take it for granted. But there's things we can point to over the last five years where we have potentially had some issues. And the third is around Canada as an agriculture superpower. And what do we do to kind of lean into more of that space there. But I think that again, to kind of highlight the three different ways that we could be thinking about this issue. And you need to do different things to deliver on those three outcomes at the end of the day.
And we cannot forget about feed, fuel and fibre as a part of this discussion too. I just continue to hear us going down a narrow lane of food, food, food, food, which is important, critical, but agriculture does a lot of different stuff and I think we're cornering ourselves. And I said it before and I'll say it again, hey, we got. We're out of time. Okay. We're gonna have a very quick bonus here because we said we're going to. Tyler, thanks so much for joining us here today.
Great to be with you, Shaun.
This is Tyler McCann of Capi. Lindsey Smith, all the best to you.
You as well.
And Kelvin, keep on producing those chicken thighs, buddy.
Thank you. And I want to also give a shout out to the Grain challenge hockey tournament. 60 ish teams from the ag sector playing in Winnipeg this weekend. Wow. Great Railways all aspect farms, all aspects of the grain industry represented. So cool. Shout out to all the people.
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Okay, we're here on the bonus segment and no, no, I am not gonna play. I am not begging to play.
I'd be a really good like co. Like somebody on the bench. I could hand people water other sticks. Yeah, I could do that. I'm good at that.
Yeah. Like a coach that's like given like you're just like.
But I have no idea what I'm doing. Yeah, exactly. I'm super good at being critical so that'd be great.
Hey, there's a lot of parents that are coaching minor hockey teams that don't have a bloody clue what they're doing. You would fit, right?
That's right. Some of them do it from the stands anyway.
I'm one of those parents from the stands who's. Who has been known to encourage shout skate during moving child. That's about the extent of idol.
When we had Calgary Flame season tickets there was a guy that sat three rows behind us that all he yelled all game was hit him.
Can't count. Can't cheque that with 11 year olds. Shaun.
Shoot.
Oh like cuz some guys on like a two on one and some guy in section 215 row 17 is yelling shoot. Oh I better shoot like.
Yeah. Oh good. Yeah. Don't go to. Don't go to games with Chris. Shaun.
Is he that guy?
He. He has far more colourful things to add but he just shouts the whole time. Like the only time he's gonna lose his voice is after.
Yeah, he's yelling stuff from the nosebleeds. Isn't he that guy?
Absolutely. It's all for the crowd effect though. Like he knows it's not getting to the ice. It's to get the. It's to get your section, you know, going.
I saw some data today in the global mail. Canada is now the 25th happiest place in the world.
Yeah, we dropped I think didn't we?
Did we went from like 18 to 25th.
Who won? Finland. I say when like producer, producer.
Trish here is saying I said that wrong. Oh no, no, we are.
Well we ranked 25th out of the happiest.
Thank you.
Thank you. Yes.
I said it correctly. Yes, yes. It's just depending on how you phrase it. Yes, yes.
Yeah.
And again like there's. It's quite something because I don't think it's hard to blame Canadians or feeling maybe a bit down. It's been a tough year, lots of bad things going on. But whenever that, you know, the Finns in the Nordic countries still rank up there and like they are actually are within like, you know, bomb distance from Russia and they've got real like secure issues when they are reinvesting in bomb shelters in these countries and yet they still figure out how to be happy. Maybe there are some things we could learn.
It's because they have saunas and they cross country ski and they eat a lot of fish.
You forgot about the drinking. You like the fins. Do you have any Finnish friends? Go ahead, Kelvin.
Canadian numbers. It's the 35 and under crowd that don't have a job that is hard to have a meaningful life then. And I think that's really weighing on the Canadian numbers now.
Yeah. Which people can't find jobs.
And I don't want to go back to Polly, but that was actually one of the clips I saw of the Rogan interview is where Poliev talked about having, you know, having. We need to make sure that people have a meaningful life. One of the things the article talked about that I read about this data is this again questioning the young Canadians use of social media and how that is impacting people's overall happiness and utility. When I read it, one of the numbers I have in the presentations lately is this Daryl bricker number where 48% of Canadians under the age of 30 see opportunity elsewhere and don't want to leave the country. Like stay like all of this kind of is a part of this which is, I think it's. This is the stuff we. There's no easy solutions but this is the kind of stuff that I think should really concern not only Canadians but also the government.
Yeah.
Certainly around AI policy as well because a lot of starter jobs are the ones that are affected by AI essentially not hiring. And the immigration numbers haven't. That's where the influx of temporary foreign workers is also taking away jobs potentially. And like that's. Yeah, there's a lot of things and government is trying to turn the ship on this, but it is. That's a big part of why Canada is declining in that number. Well, and we have this divide in society too where the older, wealthier people have done well in the markets the last couple years and that type of thing. And, and so it's not good for society to have people headed in two directions at this rate.
Youth unemployment's like what, 16%, is that correct?
As high as it's been in a long time.
Yeah.
And I think that for a long time there was this impression that when you talk about AI and automation, it was going to be those factory jobs or maybe Kelvin's chicken barn job that was going to disappear. But actually it's not that. Right. Or they may disappear one day, but what's happening in the meantime is you're wiping out tens of thousands of jobs and. And IT and tech. I don't know anything about coding, but you hear these storeys.
Oh, no.
Like you.
You don't need a human coder anymore. That this, this, like these AI systems can do it.
There are.
And so. So what does that mean? What does that look like? How does that impact the fabric of the country?
Is.
Yeah.
As a challenge.
One of the big questions I've had is if we eliminate all the junior positions. Junior, junior copywriters, junior paralegals, junior coders. What. That's great for the senior people because it makes them more efficient and there's more margin there. Where do the future senior people come from if there's no juniors? That's the thing that I don't think people talk about. I use AI every day, so I'm not anti AI whatsoever. Probably. I'm already using AI more than the whole entire panel. So I just. That's a question I have. And, and, you know, I can't remember if I told the storey in the air, I got a friend that's a lawyer and both of his kids wanted to become lawyers. He's convinced both of them to not enter. To be. To not enter law because he sees so much disruption. And what is the future of lawyer rates and the future what that economically looks like for lawyers because of the use of AI and what he sees happening inside the firm. So the. Like that. Like that gets your attention.
And again, I think it's worth highlighting. Like that is different than some of the experience we live through in the ag sector. Right. If you look at a robot going into a dairy barn, I think most dairy farmers that have robots in the barn will tell you that it's shifted their work, but they still need to be there. They still need to do the work. It's just given them new tools and changed what they do during the day. That is not what is happening in some of these other industries. They are just eliminating the jobs and they are just replacing people. And so even if you get into this world with autonomous farm equipment, you still practically need to be there. Maybe you've got some HR savings. But I think we're a long way from this world where the need for farmers disappears and we're going to be replaced by machines. But again, I think if you're a paralegal, there's a chance that large swaths of that could disappear. Or if you're an accountant, I think accounting. Right. Is one of those spaces that seems to be low hanging fruit for AI replacement.
Yeah, this is also where like I take it then a step back even, or before, depending on, or forward, depending on who you're talking to. Like right now our colleges and universities are also going through a major flux of, you know, losing international students and all those sorts of things in which, you know, we're going through this here in Ottawa, where we've had one of the main colleges essentially axe 40 different programmes like our, our education and our training systems are going to have to adapt too, to essentially account for this, you know, a huge shift in what the workflow demand is going to be. And also potentially, how do you attract people into those sectors that still need people and that job isn't going to be replaced by. Because ultimately these weren't jobs that were necessarily as attractive. And I mean that, that has been a long standing sort of issue of saying like going to the trades or going to the whatever. People don't necessarily want to and maybe that's because they have preconceived ideas or whatever. But realistically, as I do love the memes of AIs coming for your job and it's like, I'd like to see AI get a silage dragon stuck. So like, you know, these sorts of things of like, sure, go ahead. But I mean this will, it is an incredible disruption in the types of jobs and roles there will be demand for. And how do we make sure that the people who are looking for work will know and could access training and et cetera, to get into the jobs that will still exist and, or have increased. So ultimately this could be a really great thing for agriculture in that there might be a whole bunch of brilliant people that are looking for somewhere to use their brain and it becomes agriculture. But how do we explain what they could be doing and attract those people? I think that's a question we've all had in this industry for a while.
Well, producer Trish is giving me the.
Yeah, it's time to wrap it up.
I gotta catch Wrap it up. So, shocker. Gotta catch a flight. But I. I could stay here. There's so much I want to talk about. We didn't even talk about Iran today.
Or the. Or the fact that Chuck Norris has died.
What?
Breaking news during the show.
Chuck Norris died. Oh, man.
No.
Look at you.
Well, that's. I mean, there. Well, he's the only one that could have saved the whole Iran conflict.
So is Chuck.
Why can't he do anyway.
Apparently beat death I. At some Dennis Rodman here, I think. Oh, yeah.
All right. That sounds like fun. Anyway. Okay, well, that's sad news. Thanks, Tyler, for ending on a downer note.
That's great.
He. He's been in a lot of commercials lately. What. What is he. Didn't he have like a. He had a fitness video, of course. But wasn't there like some sort of product? He was.
Oh, I don't know. Yeah, we watch different things. Okay, go catch your flight.
This clear.
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